September 1998 Weekly Firesides

"The Weekly Fireside" 
of the American Civil War History 
Special Interest Group 
Week ending 6 September 1998 

Howdy all.........
As those of you who have attended the room the past couple of weeks know, our fearless leader has not been there with us. His paying job is keeping him busy traveling all over this country of ours. He even spent some time with hurricane Earl down in Fort Walton Beach, FL but he "weathered" the storm quite well.
This was supposed to be an abbreviated version of the Weekly Fireside, but once I got started, I couldn't seem to get stopped.. :-))
I want to thank all of you who have shared your knowledge over the past couple of weeks and I want to thank GFS Mom and GFS Mead for coming in and giving me a hand last week.
GFS Jayne

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A NOTE TO ALL FROM MY WANDERING PARTNER

"Lord Have Mercy" You'd a thought I sang that song "On The Road Again" instead of "Willie"!!!! LOL I was figuring this trip in August would be it (my paying job you know; we all have them) however didn't figure on visits from Bonnie, Danielle, and meeting Earl in person..... We've been doing some horrendous testing and we had sites at Langley AFB in Virginia and down at Duke Field in Florida. Well the first week Bonnie wet down Norfolk a bit and we had to shut down that end for two days. Danielle gave it a shot a couple of days later, and THEN comes big bad EARL for crying out loud. Well EARL shut us down for two days, so the powers that be decided we oughta try this all over again. Soooo I'm back on the road from the 8th and then back home the 26th. 

That was my first hurricane to sit through. My Goodness!!! I'm glad my first was sorta wimpy... LOL We only got about 7 or 8 inches of rain, the storm surge on the beach (where we were staying) was 4 feet and under, and the winds didn't get over 60 mph. Being a Coloradian, I was having visions of Blizzards but there weren't no white stuff.... LOL It all was melted and ran away by the next day.

For those of you wondering where the FIRESIDE went, it didn't, just me. Jayne wants to put out a mini Fireside to keep the fires lit, so she's gonna do that while I'm off doing weird things.... God Bless Her!!!! What a partner. 

Miss you all a bunch, but keep those CHATs lively and keep Jayne a 'laughin.... We are indeed blessed with many, many most expert Civil War History Members and they carry on most excellently when your hosts are plagued with working schedules.... THANKS GANG!!!! Jayne and I couldn't do without you.

See you after the 26th and I hope Hurricane Season ends NOW!! Don't wanna do that no more.... LOL

My traveling email is jimmie.walker@lmco.com for those that would like it. Love getting cards and letters from home LOL

See Ya soon.
GFS Jim

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FOR ALL YOU 1ST TIMERS THURSDAY - "WELCOME" WE ENJOYED HAVING YOU :-)..... 
COME AGAIN, WE RELISH YOUR COMPANY.... 

This upcoming Thursday is our Special songs, letters and poems night. We will be featuring original poems written by our very own IllinoisCW. So come and join us for a neat experience..... 

We want to THANK ALL OF YOU for your faithful inputs. 
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THE HELP DESK 

This segment is to address specific questions that hit our plate on Thursday night that we didn't have a 
chance to answer or needed a bit of time to check it out. Hope these answer the mail :D 

Editor's Note: Regimental Histories and Letters, etc. Postings: keyword "roots", after which will bring 
you to the main screen of the Genealogy Forum. Select the "Files Library Center", then "History Files". 
At that point select "Civil War Files. Lectures are also posted in the "Files Library Center" under "History 
Lectures" as the Lecture Subject. Meeting Logs are posted in the "Files Library Center" under "Meeting 
Logs and Newsletters". 
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To: MAE KODAK

Hi Merle,
Last week in the Military Families chat room, you asked whether there were Civil War and Rev Surnames available online by state..... I've checked with a couple of my "gurus". My Rev War guru said <<There are none that I know of. However, many eastern states published books describing their participation in the RW, and each of these has a index listing surnames. Eventually everything will be on the Web (maybe even "free"), but not yet what you friend wants. The SAR would like to have such a listing, and we will probably help put the data online. Your friend might find it helpful to check the SAR network, which starts at http://www.sar.org/ >>
Now my CW guru says "Illinois is the only state that I know of that has a roster on the internet available. It was done by a genealogy group in Central Illinois..."

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To: Jawote

James 
In the CW History room last Thurs, you asked if a sharpshooter was a sniper.
I posed that question to my Civil War guru.. he said: "Sharpshooters were very much like modern snipers. USA had Sharpshooter units - 1st and 2nd USSS (United States Sharp Shooters) as well as the Western Sharpshooters (66th Illinois) which were also known as Birge's Western Sharpshooters. I am sure other states had their special SS units also. CSA units operated much the same but were also only state designated. No CSSS units that I am aware of.
You also asked "did some prisoners get released by paying each other ransom in gold" I also posed that question just the way you asked it and he said "think about it, where would POW get gold for ransom."
Hope this helps... and hope to see you Thurs night 11 PM ET Golden Gates (gotta get that plug is) ROF LOL


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A BIT OF COMMUNITY...... 

Check out the following member inputs for comments and requests for information, Feedbacks, Items of 
Interest and Pleas for HELP..... 

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Subj: Re: Ft Delaware
From: BJsAngels
To: GFS Jayne

THANK YOU AFTER I RECEIVED THE EMAIL I CRIED FOR ABOUT AN HOUR FOR I FINALLY FOUND SOMEONE IN THE FAMILY AND IT MEANT ALOT NOW IT GIVES ME A REASON TO GO ON. AGAIN I SAY THANK YOU FOR I HAVE <snip> [a health problem] AND CAN'T TRAVEL MUCH TO DO ALL THE RESEARCH I NEED TO DO BUT AM GOING TOMORROW WITH A FRIEND AND DO SOME. KEEP IN TOUCH AND MAY GOD BLESS>>

Subj: another note from BJsAngels
From: GFS Jayne
To: GFS Jim

{{{{{{Jimmy}}}}}}}
I guess this is what makes our "job" worthwhile isn't it.... I "talked" to her in IM and she asked me if I had info on the the Virginia Infantry... and I sent her the references we use: The Roster of Confederate Soldiers 1861-1865: Confederate POW's, Soldier and Sailors who died in Federal Prisons & Military Hospitals in the North: and Compendium of the Confederate Armies. Also sent her the URL for obtaining the forms for the military records...
Bye pard <VBG>
Jayne

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Subj: Re: re the Weekly Fireside
From: GFS Jim
To: GFS Jayne

{{Jayne}} Reading these is all the reason we need for doing what we're doing, isn't it.???

Jim


<< Subj: re the Weekly Fireside
From: GFS Jayne
To: GFS Jim

Jimmy, 
Below is a note I sent to Peggy re the Weekly Fireside and below that is a note she sent in return... really does warm the heart. I hate adding to your overfull mailbox but just thought you'd like to read it.
Jayne

<<Subj: re the Weekly Fireside
From: GFS Jayne
To: MRB1330

Peggy,
Just read the log from Thurs night and saw where you asked whether you missed your Weekly Fireside... There wasn't one.. Jim has been working down in FL and is unable to do the Fireside.... Not sure when there will be another one... BUT the room WILL be open... on the 10th we'll be reading original Civil War poems written by our very own IllinoisCW, aka Frank Crawford. You won't want to miss it...
Hope to see you Thurs...
Jayne

Subj: Re: re the Weekly Fireside
From: MRB1330
To: GFS Jayne

Thanks for response. I'll be there. I do enjoy the weekly chats. You all do such a wonderful service. Thanks from the bottom of my heart. Peggy>> >>

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Over the past couple of weeks there have been some really great websites shared with the room by our members.... Below is a list of some of them should you want to go take a look.

From FI WATROUS:
Civil War Battlefields:
KEYWORD: Civil War > CW Info Center > Battlefields

Gateway to Civil War Sites
http://www.snymor.edu/pages/library/local_history/sites/htmlx

From BBova2332:
Chicago Historical Society
http://www.chicagohs.org/

Civil War Library & Museum
http://www.libertynet.org/~cwlm/

Civil War Medals
http://www.wvlc.wvnet.edu/history/medallst.html

From IllinoisCW:
Civil War Artifacts
http://www.ebay
enter in under antiques. There are 1000's of civil war articles.

From GFS Mead:
Civil War Soldiers & Sailors System
http://www.itd.nps.gov/cwss/

Illinois State Historical Society
Old State Capitol
phone (217) 782-4836

Chicago Genealogical Society
120 Berteau Avenue
Elmhurst, Ill
(312) 834-7491 
Mildred Smith

From GFS Jayne:
Forms for pension and military records
http://www.itd.nps.gov/cwss/cwss4.html

Civil War Music
http://www.erols.com/Kfraser/music.htm
http://www.civilwarmini.com

Louisiana State Univ. http://www.cwc.lsu.edu/civlink.htm

dictionary of Old Diseases
http://biz.ipa.net/genrecord/library.htm

Civil War Photos
http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usamhi/PhotoDB.html

Cemetery Index - US Civil War Center
http://www.cwc.lsu.edu/dgi-bin/cemetery-search

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If you haven't had a chance yet, on Wednesday nights at 7 PM ET, you will want to visit the NEW **MILITARY FAMILIES CHAT** hosted by GFS Beri and GFH JimmA in Ancestral Digs. 
Their focus is on people who served in all branches of the Military, including militia. Also includes spouses, surviving members. etc. There are no time limitations: covers pre-Rev War to current. GFS Beri has done extensive research in military documents since every Generation in her family has served in some branch or another. GFH JimmA works for the VA in real life and is a military records specialist and training coordinator.


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From: PEGHAM

They Died In the Service?

One Sunday morning, the pastor noticed little Johnny was staring up 
at the large plaque that hung in the foyer of the church. The seven-
year-old had been staring at the plaque for some time, so the pastor
walked up, stood beside the boy, and said quietly, "Good morning son." 

"Good morning pastor" replied the young man, focused on the plaque. 

"Sir, what is this?" Johnny asked. 

"Well son, these are all the people who have died in the service," 
replied the pastor. 

Soberly, they stood together, staring at the large plaque.

Little Johnny's voice barely broke the silence when he asked quietly,

"Which one sir, the 8:30 or the 10:30 service?"

{{{{{{Peg}}}}} Thanks so much for this... out of the mouths of babes :-))

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Subj: Destruction of Old Cemeteries
Date: 98-08-29 14:46:46 EDT
From: FI WATROUS

I received the following through one of my Rootsweb lists and thought it would
be of interest to others....... I can hardly bear to think how common this story might be. It profoundly saddens me. .............Ike and Nancy
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If you are interested in the outrageous (and legal) removal and destruction of old cemeteries, please read the newspaper article from Indiana (shown below the addresses). If you are compelled, as I was, to write I have provided the addresses. I spent quite a bit of time looking up all the folks mentioned in the news article. I will be writing and sending cc:'s to all the addresses below. Maybe letters to
the editor of the Star & News would also help.
Cindy Palmer
<palmerv@earthlink.net>

ADDRESSES for People involved with the cemetery removal story:

Bill Shaw, Writer
Indianapolis Star & News
307 N Pennsylvania St,
Indianapolis, IN 46204-1811
(765) 457-6712

Department of Natural Resources (3 individuals were mentioned in news)
Jon C. Smith, Director of Division of Historic Preservation and Archaeology
Rick Jones, Chief Archaeologist
Amy L. Johnson, Research Archaeologist
Indiana Department of Natural Resources
402 W Washington St # W256,
Indianapolis, IN 46204-2739
(317) 232-4020

Duke Realty Investments Inc. (2 individuals were mentioned in news)
Blair D. Carmosino, Development Services Director
Donna Coppinger, Vice President of Marketing
Duke Realty Investments Inc.
8888 Keystone Xing #1200
Indianapolis, IN 46240-4621
(317) 846-4700

NES Inc.
11400 Grooms Road
Cincinnati, OH 45242-1417
(513) 247-800

Stephen Nawrocki, Anthropologist
University of Indianapolis
1400 E Hanna Ave,
Indianapolis, IN 46227-3697
(317) 788-3368

Central Indiana Farm Bureau
1530 W Epler Ave,
Indianapolis, IN 46217-9681
(317) 783-2311

Central Indiana Farm Bureau
229 Muessing Rd,
Indianapolis, IN 46229-2807
(317) 894-3311

Indiana Farm Bureau Incorporated
225 S East St,
Indianapolis, IN 46202-4058
(317) 692-7851

Indiana Farm Bureau Svc
225 S East St,
Indianapolis, IN 46202-4058
(317) 692-7838

I could not find addresses for the following:
1) Jeannine Kreinbrink, archaeologist now works for Natural and Ethical
Environmental Solutions Inc., Liberty Township, Ohio.
2) Indiana General Assembly
3) Danny J. White

NEWSPAPER ARTICLE Margy Miles wrote:

The Death of a Cemetery
Wayne Township graveyard destroyed for warehouse shows final resting
places aren't so final under state law.

By Bill Shaw
Indianapolis Star/News
INDIANAPOLIS (Aug. 22, 1998) -- Sometime in 1844, James Rhoads, a
prominent Wayne Township farmer, died. He was 70. His family members
and friends buried him in a grove of walnut trees on a hill
overlooking a little creek.

It was the first burial in what would become Rhoads Cemetery. During
the next half-century, 43 members of the Rhoads, Foltz, Shute and Rude
families would be sent to eternity in the walnut grove.

The tiny cemetery was the scene of extraordinary grief over the years
as members of the four families repeatedly journeyed in horse-drawn
wagons across the sweeping fields and up the lonesome hill to bury
their children.

Thomas B. Rhoads was 7 months old in August 1849 when he died of an
inflamed brain. Elmer Shute was 2 when he died of a bowel infection in
August 1859. Hiram Foltz was an infant. George Foltz was 1. Lillian
Rhoads was 2 and died of whooping cough on Aug. 13, 1878. Casey Rhoads
died of an inflamed brain when he was 2. Emma Rude died at 18 months.

On and on they died until there were 35 children buried in the
peaceful cemetery on the hill.

By the dawn of the 20th century, the burying ceased as the four
families either died out or drifted away from southern Wayne Township.
Nobody paid much attention to the old cemetery anymore.

The cemetery and surrounding farmland changed owners several times.
Each new owner farmed the fields and tended the old cemetery out of
respect for earlier generations of Hoosier families. The farmers could
have knocked down the trees, plowed under the tombstones, planted corn
on the graves and made a few more dollars at harvest.

But they didn't.

The pace of change in Wayne Township picked up dramatically in 1931
when the Indianapolis airport opened on 900 acres, gobbling up
farmland and triggering a development explosion in western Marion
County.

Still, the land around the old cemetery remained untouched, save for
the annual spring plowing. The burying ground remained unmolested,
decade after decade, hidden on the hill in a 60-foot-wide opening in
the walnut grove

Danny J. White grew up in the Lafayette Heights neighborhood, just
south of the cemetery. In the 1970s, the field around the cemetery
served as a dirt bike track for White and his teen-age buddies. He
crossed it many times walking to Ben Davis High School. The old
dead-end dirt road served as a teen-age lovers' lane. Neighborhood
families held picnics beneath a massive, gnarled oak tree just east of
the cemetery.

White, 41, is a tool and die maker and an Indy Racing League mechanic.
He helped fabricate the car Eddie Cheever drove to victory in the 1998
Indianapolis 500.

Every day driving to work along I-465 near the airport, he'd glance to
the east through the sprawl of hotels, office buildings, warehouses,
parking lots, gas stations and fast food joints, and take comfort that
the solitary hill and the dark grove of trees remained in this mass of
concrete and asphalt.

"Even when I was a kid the cemetery and the area surrounding it was
breathtaking," he recalled.

In the name of development

By 1995, the fields that stretched to the horizon when James Rhoads
was buried so long ago had shrunk to 21.2 acres.

Now jet planes scream overhead, and the rumble of nearby I-70 and
I-465 is constant. Cement trucks and construction equipment line the
old lovers' lane, and new buildings seem to appear daily, landscaped
with skinny stick trees, surrounded by acres of asphalt.

One day about 18 months ago, Danny J. White was driving to work and
glanced toward the familiar hill and the concealed cemetery. He was
startled to see it surrounded by yellow trucks, graders, backhoes and
dirt scrapers.

He raced immediately to the cemetery and felt his stomach heave. The
tombstones were gone. There were ugly gashes in the earth. The big
yellow machines had pulled the graves from the earth.

"It was sickening," he recalled. He was furious. He made dozens of
phone calls and fired off angry letters to an assortment of government
officials seeking an explanation.

He got one.

It was all quite legal, according to state officials. Now go away and
quit bothering us, Danny J. White.

He wondered how such an abomination could occur in conservative,
family-values Indiana where, he, like most Hoosiers, was raised to
respect the dead and revere their hallowed, final resting place.

"How did this happen?" he asked. "You don't mess with graves."

Well, here's what happened, Danny. They do mess with graves.

James Rhoads, Thomas, Henry, Casey, Elmer and the other children and
eight adults who rested more than 150 years in the safety of the
walnut grove became the property of Duke Realty Investments Inc.

Duke, which owns or manages 60 million square feet of real estate in
eight states, bought the 21.2 acres and the 360-square-foot cemetery
in 1995.

"We purchased the land for development purposes," explained Donna
Coppinger, the helpful vice president of marketing for Duke. "We
couldn't develop a site with a cemetery on it."

Why?

"It wasn't what we wanted to do," she said.

Duke will soon level the hill and build a 458,000-square-foot bulk
distribution warehouse on the 21.2 acres, obliterating the
one-tenth-acre Rhoads Cemetery.

It's legal

Nearly two years ago, after they bought the land Duke hired an
archaeology company called NES Inc. in Blue Ash, Ohio, and together
they filed the necessary forms with the Indiana Department of Natural
Resources Division of Historic Preservation and Archaeology to dig up
the Rhoads, Foltz, Shute and Rude families.

State laws, which are made by the 150 members of the Indiana General
Assembly with extensive guidance from corporate lobbyists, allow
property owners to demolish old cemeteries they find on their land.
Throw away the tombstones, plant corn or build a warehouse on the
graves. It's legal.

DNR's chief archaeologist Rick Jones is monitoring the Duke
demolition. He said his agency issues about 10 cemetery relocation
permits a year. How many cemeteries simply are destroyed, he doesn't
know. "We have no way of knowing," he said.

But throwing away tombstones and paving over graves doesn't require a
permit. Just do it. It's legal. In fact, old tombstones often end up
in flea markets.

"Most people think cemeteries are forever," Jones explained slowly and
uncomfortably. This is not a topic most state officials enjoy
discussing. "In Indiana, cemeteries are not forever. If you own the
property, you can bulldoze them down. Basically, in Indiana, nothing
is sacred."

Digging into graves and moving them does require some paperwork,
except for farmers who are exempt from even that minor inconvenience.

"Farmers can just throw away the tombstones and plow up the graves,"
said Jones. "And they do. The Indiana Farm Bureau got the legislature
to exempt farmers."

A couple years ago, DNR proposed a bill to offer some mild protection
for old pioneer cemeteries. Corporate lobbyists smothered the bill in
committee, and it never received even token consideration.

The end of Rhoads

Anyway, Duke's cemetery demolition project proceeded under DNR Digging
Permit 960062.

NES Inc. archaeologist Jeannine Kreinbrink directed the removal of
"remains," once known in another life as James Rhoads, Elmer, Thomas,
Casey and others.

Kreinbrink, who now works for Natural and Ethical Environmental
Solutions Inc. of Liberty Township, Ohio, did not return phone calls.

She did submit a preliminary report, as required, to the DNR's Rick
Jones.

It's a haunting document, complete with photographs of the "remains."
In many cases, much remains of the remains, like the perfectly
preserved bones of little children, their arms crossed, lying in tiny
hexagonal coffins. Pieces of shoes and clothing remain.

The report also contains a diagram of each grave's location, the shape
of the coffin and what was in it. Each former person is identified by
a letter and a number.

For example, C-2 was the "well-preserved remains of an adult. Sex
unknown. Head to west. Arms at side."

B-10 contained the "well-preserved remains of an adult. Arms folded
with hands over waist."

Mr. D-1 was obviously a wheat farmer because he was buried with a
wheat scythe and a small plate.

Infant D-6 was buried beneath 2.8 feet of dirt in a decorative metal
coffin called a sarcophagus with a glass viewing window.

E-7 was an older adult male with an engraved tulip on his coffin and
the words "Rest In Peace."

A-1 was the "poorly preserved remains of an infant, sex unknown. Few
scattered post cranial remains."

B-1 was an "adult female 20-35 years. Well-preserved remains."

And on it went in graphic detail. Most people were buried under only 2
feet of dirt, symbolically facing the setting sun, the western
horizon.

"I feel a connection with these people," Rick Jones said quietly,
flipping through the depressing document. "You feel something looking
into a child's grave after 150 years. These are people that used to
live, walk around and breathe. We're literally looking into the past
and I feel a profound sense of respect."

He paused, blinked a couple times.

"This is a serious thing."

Once Elmer and the others were dug up, labeled with numbers and
letters, they were shipped to anthropologist Stephen Nawrocki at the
University of Indianapolis on the Southside.

He was hired by Duke under terms of digging permit 960062, which
required an "osteological" investigation by an anthropologist. That is
a study of the bones and "artifacts" for historical significance.

"I haven't been cleared by Duke to discuss this with reporters. I'm
just a sub, sub contractor," said Nawrocki. Jeannine Kreinbrink called
and told him not to talk, he said. Her firm is paying his fees.

When will your report be done, doctor?

"I don't know."

Once his report is complete, DNR will either order Duke to rebury the
"remains" somewhere else or they will "be kept in a lab for future
study," said Jones.

Last December, Blair D. Carmosino, Development Services Director, Duke
Construction Inc., fired off a stern letter to DNR officials.

"Duke's schedule for construction start-up in this project area is
rapidly approaching, so it is imperative that the (DNR) properly issue
a clearance letter for this project area."

Part of the reason for delay was DNR's displeasure with Jeannine
Kreinbrink's preliminary report. Jon C. Smith, director of DNR's
Division of Historic Preservation and Archaeology, found about 40
points in her report he wanted explained, corrected or expanded upon
-- like what did Duke plan to do with the "unwanted" headstones they
dug up?

On July 22, DNR issued a conditional permit to begin "ground
disturbing activities" but demanded an archaeologist be present in
case additional "human remains" are uncovered.

"We'll probably start drainage work and soil things soon," said Donna
Coppinger, the Duke marketing person. "Site preparation before winter
means if we can get the site ready, we construct our industrial
warehouse product this winter. The building will be 1,032 feet long
and 440 feet wide."

This is good news? "It is good news. We're good corporate neighbors,"
she said.

Property of Duke

The other day Danny J. White visited the old cemetery one last time
before the ancient walnuts and solitary oak are bulldozed, the hill
flattened and the "final" resting place for 35 kids and eight adults
is erased from the face of the earth.

He hiked through the alfalfa field, brimming with buzzing bees,
butterflies and summer wildflowers and up the hill. He rummaged around
through the dense brush at the edge of the cemetery. Day lilies
planted 150 years ago around the graves still flourish.

"Look what I found," he said suddenly, emerging from the brush with
the broken top half of a tombstone bearing the words "WIFE OF JAMES
RHOADS. DIED." He found it in a bulldozed pile of dirt between two old
tires, beer cans and soda pop bottles.

What to do? Surely the DNR would want Mrs. Rhoads' broken tombstone.
It couldn't be left in the pile of tires and broken glass. Somebody
might steal it. It might be demolished in "site preparation." It could
be lost forever, a historic treasure, the last poignant symbol of a
person's life, sacrificed on the altar of economic development and
corporate neighborliness.

A quick phone call to DNR research archaeologist Amy L. Johnson
provided the answer.

"Put it back," she said firmly.

What?
"Put it back," she said again.

Why?

"It belongs to Duke. It is their property."

James Rhoads' wife's name was believed to be Hannah, and she died on
July 24, 1849, at age 85. Her husband, remember, was the first person
buried in the cemetery in August 1844.

Her broken tombstone, which was carefully placed in the Hoosier soil
during solemn, no doubt tearful, ceremonies 149 long summers ago, was
returned to the pile of bulldozed dirt, tires, broken glass, beer and
pop bottles.

It belonged to Duke.

It's the law.

{{{{{Ike and Nancy}}}}} Thank you for sharing this with us. Unfortunately, I think this is happening all too often all over the country. 
GFS Jayne
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9/10/98 - "Letters, Songs and Poems" Night, featuring the collection of Frank Crawford. DON'T MISS IT

9/17/98 - OPEN CHAT - GFS Jim is "On the Road Again"

9/24/98 - OPEN CHAT - GFS Jim is still on the road..

10/1/98 - OPEN CHAT - The wandering partner returns!!!! (we hope)

We'll See You Thursday Night…! 
Your Hosts 
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"The Weekly Fireside" 
of the American Civil War History 
Special Interest Group 
Week ending 13 September 1998 

Howdy all,
This is your friendly substitute editor once again. WHAT A NIGHT WE HAD THURSDAY.... It was one of the best Songs, Letters and Poems nights ever!!!!! A HUGE thanks to IllinoisCW, aka Frank Crawford, for allowing us to share his original Civil War poems. You have no idea what a job it was to convince him others would like to hear them. I think he's finally convinced somebody, besides me, likes them!!!!!
The poems will not be uploaded into the Libraries File as one day Frank would like to have them published. Just think....sometime in the future, we may all be able to say "I knew him when..." To those of you who were not there, you REALLY missed a good one. I'm including one of the poems here to show you just what you missed.

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GEORGE WASHINGTON ASHMORE 
Co. B - 143rd Illinois 
By Frank Crawford
Eight months after my father’s death 
I was born in Coles County, Illinois 
To a mother and a six year old brother. 
Both worked hard 
Providing for me and themselves 
But there are certain things 
You can never be prepared for. 
When THE WAR broke out 
Brother Alf joined our cousins in the army 
And I, a 15 year old man, 
Stayed behind 
To watch after Ma and follow the plow. 
The 143rd - 
Just a ninety day unit - 
Was to help the government crush the last spark 
From the Confederate embers. 
"No danger."
"No bullets."
"No Nathan Bedford Forrest, 
Jo Shelby or 
John Morgan 
To snuff out the life of your young son."
Sure, all I did was guard a bridge crossing 
In Helena, Arkansas 
And take a drink from a stagnant pond. 

NOTE: George Washington Ashmore was IllinoisCW's gguncle on his mother's side.

*****My sincere thanks to GFS Mead and GFS Tracy for helping me out... The Genealogy Forum Staff at its best... always willing to lend a hand.*****

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REGARDING MY WANDERING PARTNER: Jim is still in Florida, working harder than ever and not getting enough sleep. He sends a "Hello" to everyone and wishes he could be with us. But as the saying goes ....he shall return :-))

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FOR ALL YOU 1ST TIMERS THURSDAY - "WELCOME" WE ENJOYED HAVING YOU :-)..... 
COME AGAIN, WE RELISH YOUR COMPANY.... 

This upcoming Thursday is OPEN CHAT. So come and join us for a neat experience..... 
Now’s a good time to also THANK ALL OF YOU for your faithful inputs. 

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THE HELP DESK 

This segment is to address specific questions that hit our plate on Thursday night that we didn't have a 
chance to answer or needed a bit of time to check it out. Hope these answer the mail :D 

Editor's Note: Regimental Histories and Letters, etc. Postings: keyword "roots", after which will bring 
you to the main screen of the Genealogy Forum. Select the "Files Library Center", then "History Files". 
At that point select "Civil War Files. Lectures are also posted in the "Files Library Center" under "History 
Lectures" as the Lecture Subject. Meeting Logs are posted in the "Files Library Center" under "Meeting 
Logs and Newsletters". 

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Subj: Civil War Trivia
From: FI WATROUS

A friend sent me this interesting Civ War tidbit. Sorry, don’t know the source of the information, but it certainly makes interesting reading!
Ike Watrous
~~~~~~~~

“He was called "the most shot-at man of the Civil War".

On April 20, 1861, Thaddeus Lowe set out from Cincinnati on a test flight of his 20,000 cubic-foot balloon, Enterprise. After traveling at more than 100 mph, he was deflected from his course by crosswinds. He landed in South Carolina, expecting a hero’s welcome. But Fort Sumter had fallen just 6 days earlier and Lowe was arrested as a Federal spy. Only after local professors vouched for his purely scientific interests was he released. The audacious aeronaut simply hadn’t realized how close America was to civil war.
Heading north, Lowe became a leader of the Aeronautic Corps of the Army of the Potomac, a group composed primarily of civilian balloonists who made more than 3,000 flights during the war’s first two years. Most of these were reconnaissance missions from marooned balloons carrying up to five miles of telegraph wire, so that aeronauts could direct ground artillery and transmit information about enemy troop movements.
Once Lowe was brought down behind Confederate lines. His wife, who had witnessed the crash, led the nighttime commandos who came to his rescue.

The Civil War is called the first modern war because of the forward-looking (and sometimes outlandish) military innovations it spawned among them:

Conscription:
America’s first draftees fought this war.

Fork-balled cannon:
They fired two balls connected by a chain, for mowing down whole lines of the attacking enemy.

Aircraft carriers:
Barges transported and moored reconnaissance balloons.

Water walkers:
Reportedly, Union soldiers were to wear tiny canoes as boots and propel themselves over the water with paddles.”

((((((Ike))))))) you always come thru <G>

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U.S. Military Records at the Family History Centers............................. 
This will be continued when GFS Jim returns to Colorado. 

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DID YOU KNOW?? ..................................

.....Almost 200,000 blacks eventually served in the Union army and navy.

.....There were 6 Confederate generals killed at Gettysburg.

.....Black troops participated in approximately 450 battles and skirmishes.

.....It took four pounds of powder to throw a 50.5-pound shell from a howitzer.

.....Twenty-two thousand rifles were captured when Georgia malitia took the Federal arsenal at Augusta.

.....At least 116,000 donned blue uniforms after having been hired as substitutes for those who did not want to fight.

.....The 430 casualties from the Tenth Corps at Chaffin's Farm, led by Maj. Gen David Birney's brother William, were all black, except for officers.

.....After the war, Tennesse was the first state to be readmitted in the Union - July 24, 1866

.....The first Civil War monument was erected at Shiloh battleground late in 1863.

.....The first post of the Grand Army of the Republic was organized in Springfield, Illinois on April 1, 1866.

NOTE: These were taken from "Civil War Trivia and Fact Book" by Webb Garrison.

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A BIT OF COMMUNITY............................ 

Check out the following member inputs for comments and requests for information, Feedbacks, Items of 
Interest and Pleas for HELP................ 

NOTE FROM JAYNE: I'm including these notes I've received this week from some of our members... Letters like these are what encourage us to keep focused on the History of the American Civil War and to provide all of you with the very best information we can in our Special Interest Group. We thank you all for the support you've given us... I think I can speak for Jim here too. YOU and your interest are why we're here. You make it both interesting and fun.

Subj: Re: The Weekly Fireside - 9/6/98
From: BHogan32

Thank you for the mail. I plan on coming each week and learn from you. FBenway and Jaw have been telling me about the room., betty 

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Subj: Re: The Weekly Fireside - 9/6/98
From: CARKATECO

Thank You Very Much!

Sincerely
Carol 

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Subj: Re: The Weekly Fireside - 9/6/98
From: SHEVACLOUD

THANKS JANE < I MISSED< AGAIN< BUT HOPEFULLY THIS WEEK
I WILL BE HOME

SHEVACLOUD@AOL>COM

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Subj: Re: The Weekly Fireside - 9/6/98
From: DJoi
To: GFS Jayne
CC: jimmie.walker@lmco.com

Jayne, Jayne, Jayne,,,
Great Job !! Fireside is alive and well !! 
A big ATTA Gal !!
Jim, you done taught her good :)
Dottie


From: jimmie.walker@lmco.com (Walker, Jimmie)
To: GFSJayne@aol.com, DJoi@aol.com ('DJoi@aol.com')

{{{{Dottie}}}} No I didn't, she done already had the "Gift" !!! Heh heh

SUBSTITUTE EDITORS NOTE: Jim, when one has a good example to follow, it's easy. Thanks partner, you are the best. <VBG>

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Subj: Re: The Weekly Fireside - 9/6/98
From: DeeW84

Thank you for the Fireside Chat letter--I will have to sit down and read it through but it looks llike a lot of information again. I really appreciate having it. And the work that it takes to put it out. Next time Jim is at Ft. Walton Beach, if he has time, give me a ring at <snip> I live in Niceville just about 8 miles from Ft. Walton. I will try and be with you all on Thursday night if possible but I am on with a grandson and sometimes we have to share time. Best to you and Jim----DeeW84

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Subj: Re: The Weekly Fireside - 9/6/98
From: PinkPJ1934

Thank you so much. Always a joy to read.
Sincerely pinkpj1934

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Subj: Re: The Weekly Fireside - 9/6/98
From: Pugnutty

Hello, I am absolutely stunned to read about what is happening to old cemetaries! I had no idea such sacrilegious activities could go on. The definition of sacrilegious: GROSSLY IRREVERANT TOWARD WHAT IS SACRED. The shame of destroying known resting places. The laws need to be changed! Thank you for letting all of us know what is going on.

Sincerely,

Kathleen 

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Subj: Re: The Weekly Fireside - 9/6/98
From: SallyEPS

Removal of early cemeteries means that often times the only written record of a person's existance is lost. In some states notice must be published in the newspaper of any plan to remove a cemetery and a public hearing held! Have seen 
corporations, which fear a poor public image, arrange to "work around" a historic cemetery. Oh, the power that we as citizens have, when we hold their feet to the fire and demand they do the right thing! We need good laws to protect historic cemeteries and we need to demand that developers obey the laws!
Sally

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Subj: Re: The Weekly Fireside - 9/6/98
From: MamaGritz

thank you for the fireside. I enjoy them especially since I haven't been able to be in the chat room. I only get on maybe once a week to answer email or send some out.
Hopefully in two weeks I can get back on regularly and get back into chat rooms. I have missed being in chat room with you all. 

Kris

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WHAT WE ARE ABOUT…………. 

OUR FOCUS: the "History of the North American Civil War". 

OUR GOAL: to enhance your Genealogy activity, knowledge, and "wisdom" by talking about the history 
surrounding their lives and actions; specifically the "Civil War" that our ancestors lived through and died 
because of. 

OUR PROMISE: to provide an "online" environment that is NOT judgemental and to address ALL 
aspects of this "Pivotal Period" in our History, with honesty and truth (where we know it). 

We do "Fireside Stories" about the battles, the people and the social happenings. In addition we dedicate 
one Thursday a month to the sharing Songs, Poems and Letters from that era. So come back and visit; 
we'll save you a seat at the Fireside, and keep the Cider warm..... For a full listing of upcoming events, 
either look on the Schedule at the end of this Notice or in the Upcoming Events of the Genealogy Forum. 

As we review the logs, and we find new visitors who show an interest or have entered into discussions on 
this topic in our Thursday sessions, we automatically add you to the distribution for this "Weekly 
Fireside." 

AND TO YOU "FIRST-TIMERS" THIS WEEK, "Welcome"... :) 

We heartily enjoyed your visit and participation. We relish what members bring to the discussions, and 
we hope to see more of you.... Note that for any reason, should you desire to be removed from 
distribution of this "Weekly Missive", just drop us a line and we will comply with your wishes "post- 
haste". 

Schedule of Upcoming Topics/Events****** 

Time: Every Thursday Night at 11pm ET in the Golden Gates Room with Host GFS Jim, GFS Jayne and our many fill-in friends :) 

9/17/98 - OPEN CHAT - (GFS Jim's still "On the Road Again") 

9/24/98 - OPEN CHAT - (GFS Jim's STILL on the road) 

10/1/98 - OPEN CHAT - My wandering partner returns!!!! (we hope)

10/8/98 - Our Special Night - Songs, Letters and Poems


We'll See You Thursday Night……….! 
Your Hosts 
GFS Jayne and GFS Jim

"The Weekly Fireside" 
of the American Civil War History 
Special Interest Group 
Week ending 20 September 1998 

Howdy all,
It was another great night of trading information..... There were some folks we hadn't seen for awhile and we had several new folks join us, they've been added to the distribution of the Weekly Fireside. I'm marking the days off on my calendar till my partner returns and it won't be very long now...
I'm going to ask you all for a favor... one of our favorite people is a bit under the weather. If you would please keep Rosie - Acadian99 in your prayers, I'm sure she and her family would appreciate it.

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A NOTE FROM MY WANDERING PARTNER: :-))
I received this from Jim Saturday evening and thought I'd share some of it with you plus the part he intended to have me include. (I've snipped out some of it... Jim can tell you all what he's been "up to" when he gets back) 

{{{Jayne}}} - 

Well It has been a week.... For 2 days we just curled up on site grabbed some sleep and got up and kept going. <snip> One more week to go... Should be flying home on Friday night. Hope that's it for the year... 

Time to get back to life. :-) Tell everyone I said Hi and thanks for being tolerant of my absence. <snip>

I'm hoping that maybe later in the week we'll sorta wind down and I can get a chance to go by the Civil War Museum in Pensacola.... I'm told it's pretty interesting, but haven't had a break yet to do that. 

<snip>

You've been super and I'm glad to have such a partner ...... I'll ask you to put especially the following in the Fireside if you would....

"Hey Friends, come out Thursday and join in our Civil War History Community.
Jayne has been a great asset and partner in covering while I'm on the
road.... Jayne and I have been able to help and assist in answering your
questions and maybe pointing you in the right direction, however the awesome
experience of the Civil War History Special Interest Group is YOU!!!!! You
folks have such a varied and unbelievable depth of knowledge of the lore
and history of this era, that you as a community bring your own answers with
you. And on top of all that, we enjoy each other's company in the Chat
Room. I just wanted to say that OUT LOUD.... Heh Heh. I'll be gone one
more Thursday and then I'll be able to join y'all again. I've really missed
you. So come on out and bring all your experience to be a part of the evening...

I'll stay in touch Jayne.... Have a good one my friends...

Jimmy

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FOR ALL YOU 1ST TIMERS THURSDAY - "WELCOME" WE ENJOYED HAVING YOU :-)..... 
COME AGAIN, WE RELISH YOUR COMPANY.... 

This upcoming Thursday is OPEN CHAT. So come and join us for a neat experience..... 
Now’s a good time to also THANK ALL OF YOU for your faithful inputs. 

************************************************************************************* 

THE HELP DESK 

This segment is to address specific questions that hit our plate on Thursday night that we didn't have a 
chance to answer or needed a bit of time to check it out. Hope these answer the mail :D 

Editor's Note: Regimental Histories and Letters, etc. Postings: keyword "roots", after which will bring 
you to the main screen of the Genealogy Forum. Select the "Files Library Center", then "History Files". 
At that point select "Civil War Files. Lectures are also posted in the "Files Library Center" under "History 
Lectures" as the Lecture Subject. Meeting Logs are posted in the "Files Library Center" under "Meeting 
Logs and Newsletters". 

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BetsyLinn is looking for information on the 17th Kentucky Inf USA and the 9th Arkansas, CSA. 
~~~~~
NLMEMT would like to know in what city the 7th Texas Cavalry, Co.D was organized.
~~~~~
LSIZEDALE is looking for information on the 43rd Reg., Alabama, Co. F.
~~~~~
ED. NOTE: If any of you can help the above folks, please do so. The success of our SIG depends on each of us helping the other.

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**Last week FI WATROUS sent a letter which contained the following: 

Fork-balled cannon:
They fired two balls connected by a chain, for mowing down whole lines of the attacking enemy.

**This week I received the following... I thought I'd share it with you in case you're like me and didn't know what the Fork-balled cannon was...

Subj: Re: The Weekly Fireside - Week of 9/13/98
From: IllinoisCW

The forked-ball cannon was simply a double barreled cannon that used a double priming system. Because it killed many of its first TWO cannon crews it was never used in battle. It sits now in the small Georgia city of Athens - a tribute to man's attempted inhumanity toward his fellow man.
Because of the nature of the beast - one cannon ball would exit the cannon before the other and whip around the carriage killing and maiming the men that served on the crew. This was because the two cannon balls were connected by a 12 foot long chain. It was designed to mow down the enemy like a giant cycle. As I said. It did NOT work.

NOTE: Thank you {{{{{Frank}}}}} for your input... it's very much appreciated always.

~~~~~~~~~~

Subj: Re: The Weekly Fireside - Week of 9/13/98
From: AslanJ

I just had to tell you that the graves of our ancestors, Joseph BRYAN (b1776 SC) and his wife Rebecca DEWEES are in a fenced in lot with a bull, and the stones are leaning and the footstones are broken. We all believe that his father, our Revolutionary ancestor William Bryan (1746-1808) and his wife are also buried nearby, but that the stones were lost over time. We cannot prove it, but we feel that if we could, we might get some help because he was a Patriot) At least the owner gives us permission to go inside the fence, as long as someone is there to babysit the bull. There appears to be nothing we can do. There are many, many small cemetery lots in SC which are in outlying areas, down dirt roads, etc. If someone buys the land, who knows what will become of them.

Judy C. - FL

{{{{{Judy}}}}} Thank you for sharing this with us. Unfortunately this probably happens more often than we know.

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U.S. Military Records at the Family History Centers............................. 
This will be continued when GFS Jim returns to Colorado. 

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DID YOU KNOW?? ..................................

.....William Tecumseh Sherman so despised newspaper reporters that he was said to foam at the mouth upon seeing one.

.....Lt. Gen. Thomas J. ("Stonewall") Jackson refused to use pepper on his food, saying it gave him pains in his left leg.

.....Gen. Albert S. Johnston, a Kentucky native, was appointed to West Point from Louisiana, graduated eighth in the class of 1826, then later resigned from the U.S. Army to become a full general in the Confederate army.

.....On horseback, it took approximately three days to reach Corinth, Mississippi from Memphis, Tennessee.

.....About 25 of every one hundred men who served in the U.S. Navy were free blacks or ex-slaves.

.....Thirty-six horses, three pairs in tandem per gun, were needed to pull the six guns of a standard field battery.

NOTE: These were taken from "Civil War Trivia and Fact Book" by Webb Garrison.

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A BIT OF COMMUNITY............................ 

Check out the following member inputs for comments and requests for information, Feedbacks, Items of 
Interest and Pleas for HELP................ 

NOTE FROM JAYNE: Again... I want to thank all of you who have written to say how much you enjoy the Weekly Fireside. Your letters do indeed warm the heart and make all of this worthwhile for both Jim and I.

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Hmmmmmmmm - What happens if you get scared half to death twice?

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Subj: Re: The Weekly Fireside - Week of 9/13/98
From: JOHNVBMW1

Hi Jayne

I have received your email for several weeks now but I am not sure how to join your Thursday fireside chats can you tell me how ?

**ED. NOTE: See below....

In your mail you mentioned much about the blacks who fought for the union. You know my ancestor fought for the union he was a white Alabamian. His unit the FIRST ALABAMA CALVARY UNION receives hardly any to no recogintion from anybody and yet these men went against their own state and supported the union

When they returned home to the county of Winston (Free State OF Winston] Alabama it was completely devastated by both armies. Aftrer reading the pension request of my ancestor and how he and his fellow comrads were screwed around by the U S Government and the little recognition they receive today I wonder if he would do it over again?

Oh Alabama sent one unit to fight for the union, Tenn sent many never hear any mention of them either. I hope perhaps I have enlightened you about white southerners also fought for the union not just black southerners who get much credit these days.

Thank you
John H.

{{{{{John}}}}} Well we sure can't have you not being able to find us!!!!  You can go to Keywords: Roots > chats > Golden Gates... every Thursday night 11 PM ET... Golden Gates chat room.. 
John, I'm sharing your entire letter with everyone to "enlighten" those who are not "aware". Thanks so much

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Subj: Fwd: New Civil War info. on line
From: MMeadPond

Hope this isn't a repeat!

Meaux
------
Forwarded Message: 
Subj: New Civil War info. on line
From: GaLinaHist@aol.com

Here's some new info. I've recently added to my South Carolina in the Civil
War site.

Biography of Col. Pickney DowneyBowles
Biography of John C. Simpkins
Biography of Col. Benjamin Ryan Tillman
History of the 19th Volunteer Regiment
History of the 7th Volunteer Regiment
The Soldier's Relief Association
Presentation of Flag to Holcombe's Legion
Biography of John Joiner Brantley D. D.
Biography of Francis Hugh Wardlaw

I've also added a slick new site level search engine compliments of
Thunderstone.

The Civil War in South Carolina site now has over 1,700 pages of information
on men (and women) who served from South Carolina and contains over 13,000
men. This represents approx. 20% of the men who served from SC.

The site is located at:

http://www.researchonline.net/sccw

John Rigdon
The Civil War in South Carolina
http://www.researchonline.net/sccw
The Civil War in Georgia
http://www.researchonline.net/gacw
Research OnLine
http://www.researchonline.net

{{{{{Mosey}}}}} Thanks a bunch for the "heads-up"

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Subj: Re: 15th New York
From: BodleyMJB

Jayne,
What a wonderful reply you have sent to me. on the 15th. Calv NY....... looks as if Lewis was on 6/11/1864 going to Moorefield battle ended on 12th and was enroute from Lewisburg to New Market WVA Sigel's expedition and captured before the battle on 12th. Was reason he was not on field of combat at the 6/11th date. How neat to be able to have the information at hand as you do. It was the Son Jesse McNeil then that was the commander. Thank you so much. Give our Master Guru a note of thanks.
Joyce B.

{{{{Joyce}}}}} heh heh.... I just recently bought that same wonderful Civil War CD that Jim acquired at the NGS Conference in Denver this past spring.... what a wealth of info on it... {{{{{IllinoisCW, Frank}}}}} consider yourself thanked...from both of us. <VBG>

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Subj: Paradox of our Age
From: FI WATROUS
<B>
The Paradox Of Our Age:</B>

We have taller buildings, but shorter tempers; wider freeways, but narrower viewpoints; we spend more, but have less; we buy more, but enjoy it less.

We have bigger houses and smaller families; more conveniences, but less time; we have more degrees, but less sense; more knowledge, but less judgment; more experts, but more problems; more medicine, but less wellness.

We spend too recklessly, laugh too little, drive too fast, get too angry too quickly, stay up too late, get up too tired, read too seldom, watch TV too much, and pray too seldom.

We have multiplied our possessions, but reduced our values.

We talk too much, love too seldom and lie too often.

We've learned how to make a living, but not a life; we've added years to life, not life to years.

We've been all the way to the moon and back, but have trouble crossing the street to meet the new neighbor.

We've conquered outer space, but not inner space; we've done larger things, but not better things; we've cleaned up the air, but polluted the soul; we've split the atom, but not our prejudice; we write more, but learn less; plan more, but accomplish less.

We've learned to rush, but not to wait; we have higher incomes; but lower morals; more food but less appeasement; more acquaintances, but fewer friends; more effort but less success.

We build more computers to hold more information, to produce more copies than ever, but have less communication; we've become long on quantity, but short on quality.

These are the times of fast foods and slow digestion; tall men, and short character; steep profits, and shallow relationships.

These are the times of world peace, but domestic warfare; more leisure and less fun; more kinds of food, but less nutrition.

These are days of two incomes, but more divorce; of fancier houses, but broken homes.

These are days of quick trips, disposable diapers, throwaway morality, one-night stands, overweight bodies, and pills that do everything from cheer, to quiet, to kill.

It is a time when there is much in the show window, and nothing in the stockroom.

{{{{{{{{{Ike and Nancy}}}}}}}}}} How true, how true... thanks for sharing this with us.

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WHAT WE ARE ABOUT…………. 

OUR FOCUS: the "History of the North American Civil War". 

OUR GOAL: to enhance your Genealogy activity, knowledge, and "wisdom" by talking about the history 
surrounding their lives and actions; specifically the "Civil War" that our ancestors lived through and died 
because of. 

OUR PROMISE: to provide an "online" environment that is NOT judgemental and to address ALL 
aspects of this "Pivotal Period" in our History, with honesty and truth (where we know it). 

We do "Fireside Stories" about the battles, the people and the social happenings. In addition we dedicate 
one Thursday a month to the sharing Songs, Poems and Letters from that era. So come back and visit; 
we'll save you a seat at the Fireside, and keep the Cider warm..... For a full listing of upcoming events, 
either look on the Schedule at the end of this Notice or in the Upcoming Events of the Genealogy Forum. 

As we review the logs, and we find new visitors who show an interest or have entered into discussions on 
this topic in our Thursday sessions, we automatically add you to the distribution for this "Weekly 
Fireside." 

AND TO YOU "FIRST-TIMERS" THIS WEEK, "Welcome"... :) 

We heartily enjoyed your visit and participation. We relish what members bring to the discussions, and 
we hope to see more of you.... Note that for any reason, should you desire to be removed from 
distribution of this "Weekly Missive", just drop us a line and we will comply with your wishes "post- 
haste". 

Schedule of Upcoming Topics/Events****** 

Time: Every Thursday Night at 11pm ET in the Golden Gates Room with Host GFS Jim, GFS Jayne and our many fill-in friends :) 

9/24/98 - OPEN CHAT with a little extra - (GFS Jim's STILL on the road) 

10/1/98 - OPEN CHAT - My wandering partner returns!!!! (we hope)

10/8/98 - Our VERY Special Night - Songs, Letters and Poems

10/15/98 - OPEN CHAT - Unless otherwise announced by Jim


We'll See You Thursday Night……….! 
Your Hosts 
GFS Jayne and GFS Jim

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