July 2000 Weekly Firesides

Note from Jayne- January 2004:  The July Weekly Firesides were condensed into one large one by GFS Gary back in July 2000

"The Weekly Fireside"
American Civil War History Special Interest Group
Submitted by the Civil War Team: 
Host GFS Jim, Host GFS Jayne, Host GFS TEG, and LDRS GFH Amy

Edited by Host GFS Gary

Mission Statement: To serve all genealogists by providing an enjoyable online environment with as many helpful and reliable resources as possible.


OUR FOCUS: the "History of the American (United States) Civil War".

 OUR GOAL: to enhance your Genealogy activity, knowledge, and "wisdom" by talking about the history surrounding their lives and actions; specifically the "Civil War" that our ancestors lived through and died because of.

Captain Oliver Wendell Holmes of the 20th Massachusetts Infantry Regiment said it so well.

"I think it is a noble and pious thing
To do whatever we may by written
Word or molded bronze and sculpted
Stone to keep our memories, our
Reverence and our love alive and
To hand them on to new generations
All too ready to forget."

OUR PROMISE: to provide an "online" environment that is NOT judgmental and to address ALL aspects of this "Pivotal Period" in our History, with honesty and truth (as we know it).

We do "Fireside Stories" about the battles, the people and the social happenings. In addition we dedicate one Thursday a month to the sharing of Songs, Poems and Letters from that era. So come back and visit. We'll save you a seat at the Fireside, and keep the Cider warm... For a full listing of upcoming events, either look on the Schedule at the end of this Notice or in the Upcoming Events of the Genealogy Forum.

As we review the logs, and we find new visitors who show an interest or have entered into discussions on this topic in our Thursday sessions, we automatically add you to the distribution for this "Weekly Fireside."


This segment is to address specific questions that hit our plate on Thursday night that we didn't have a chance to answer or needed a bit of time to check it out. Hope these answer the mail :D

Submitters Note: Regimental Histories and Letters, etc. Postings: keyword "roots," after which will bring you to the main screen of the Genealogy Forum. Select the "Files Library Center," then "History Files". At that point select "Civil War Files." Lectures and the Letters, Songs and Poems evenings are also posted in the "Files Library Center" under "History Lectures" as the Lecture Subject. The "Firesides" when they eventually get there after their 30 days in the New Files section are posted in the "Files Library Center" under "Meeting Logs and Newsletters".

I've also posted ALL the "Weekly Firesides" we've done since the first of the year (2000) into the Genealogy Forum's New Files area for your enjoyment. Give GFA Terry a few days to get them posted and then grab what you want. All New Files are uploaded to the New Files Area for about 30 days and then they will be moved to their proper archive. In the case of the Weekly Firesides, you'll find them in the Files Library under Newsletters. 

Bits of Blue and Gray

Just a note to let you  know the new Bits of Blue and Gray column is now available to read.

You can access all of the articles and military links for each of the states by going to the Bits of Blue and Gray homepage and clicking on the article you want to read: 

Bits of Blue and Gray 
http://www.stategensites.com/bitsofblueandgray/  (NOTE:  This site no longer exists, however you may visit www.bitsofblueandgray.com )

I hope you're enjoying the trivia questions and learning from them.  If any of you has trivia questions I could use, I sure do wish you'd send them to me along with the answers and a source verifying it... unless you don't mind if I use your screen name as the source.  At the site you'll also find a Message Board where you can leave suggestions, ask questions and make comments.

Host GFS Jayne

For other columns and genealogical information go to StateGenSites  http://www.stategensites.com/ (NOTE:  No longer exists)

Announcement: Grand Reopening !!

 Fridays at 9:00 PM EDT we will be reviving the "War Between The States SIG". 

The theme of this SIG will be "Tracing Your Civil War Ancestor"! 

Please join me, HOST GFS Amy and HOST GFS Wolford in Golden Gates 

Websites we have received

Snow Beri:
General Hill's death: http://members.aol.com/goe1234/indexD.html

CW Publications
Host GFS Gary


Civil War
The Civil War Letters of William A. Robinson and the Story of the 89th New York Volunteer Infantry - Robert J. Taylor. President Lincoln's call for volunteers to fight for the restoration of the Union was answered by common men throughout the United States. William A. Robinson was one of them3/4a simple farmer and a family man from Delaware County, New York, who enlisted for a three year term in Co. I of the 89th NY Volunteer Infantry in the fall of 1861. Over the course of those three years Robinson and his fellows in the 89th would see service throughout the South, participating in engagements at Antietam, Fredericksburg, Suffolk, VA, the Federal siege of Fort Sumpter (1863), Cold Harbor, Petersburgh and Fair Oaks. After Robinson's discharge in 1864, the unit continued its hard campaigning and was present for the final skirmishes with General Lee's army at Appomattox. Robinson wrote home to his wife Mary as often as the rigors of soldiering would allow, and over 100 of these letters have survived to the present day. Robert J. Taylor has transcribed Robinson's Civil War letters in there entirety, supplemented by a history of the 89th NY with accompanying rosters and  an index of full names. 2000, 193 pp., illus., append., bibl., fullname index, paper, $20.50 #T1580 +Pre-Publication Price until August 31, 2000: $16.40 

Civil War 

History of the Confederate States Navy - J. Thomas Scharf. The Confederate States Navy was organized in 1861 around a core of over 300 former US Naval officers who resigned their commissions to defend the sovereignty of their home states. This weighty tome offers a complete history of the Confederate States Navy "from its beginnings". 

{{{{Gary}}}} Thanks for your continued support of "Goodies".... Heh Heh 

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Fight for the Colors (Ohio) 

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Mural size maps from the Library of Congress 

Amy - these are great!!!!

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HOST GFS Shell: 
Death Records/Obits Various States 

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1890 Veterans Census Links 

Glorieta Battlefield Preservation



Members Helping Members!...

Here's how it works.. If you are trying to get photographs of a gravesite or battlefield, to collect for your Civil War ancestor research and records, then send us a request and we will post it here... Other members seeing your request and being in the near vicinity, and are willing to assist can email you direct (this protects your privacy) and work out the details. We HIGHLY recommend the "Requester" pay for all film costs and any postage involved for a helping member. This is intended to be a "Free" assistance between members (with the exception of defraying film and postage costs). Do unto others as.... you know :-) Keep us posted on how this is working, so we can share them in the "Fireside"!!



Thanks!! - The Editors


We have had some gracious members offer their assistance in this area. Their screen names and areas they have offered to help in are listed.... Please honor their "goodness" and don't abuse them :-).... We ask that you do follow the guidelines indicated above...

[OHBELMON-L] Ohio Units in the Civil War 
From: wild1cat@worldnet.att.net (Jeffrey Laird) 
To: OHBELMON-L@rootsweb.com 
I am trying to find out information on Company I of the 173rd Ohio Volunteer Infantry. My gggrandfather Alexander Palmer served. Is there a roster available somewhere or someplace I could get records? 

{{{Susi}}}} Thanks for forwarding this request. We'll see if anyone knows a Website with the Roster list.

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Forwarded to my from MMeadPond 
From: "John Griffin" <jagriffin@nwinfo.net>

I am sending this notice to let people know that after 6 years, I have compiled the histories of 14 Georgia regiments. I have donated this work to our SCV Camp in Moultrie GA. I am not doing this for my own gain, but for our history and memory of ancestors. 

Please pass on to all your fellow researchers that our camp will soon be releasing a book "Warriors of the Wiregrass" which will have compiled 14 Georgia regimental histories about 600 pages. I have done this for our SCV camp and a printing quote is now in process. All proceeds will go to our SCV camp's heritage projects such as scholarships (we started a Lt. Mobley Scholarship last year an officer and ancestor killed in service to the CSA as part of Company I, 50th GA Vol Inf.), living history demos for schools, museum, monument and cemetery upkeep, etc. I will not keep a nickel of the proceeds and all sales will be through the camp only, so it will be for our ancestors benefit not mine. 

Once we get the printing done, I will pull the larger version of the histories off the web and put a summary version and then post info on how to get the book. 

What I would like to ask you to do is:

1) If you are interested in a copy, email me back or email our camp Commander Mr. Jack Bridwell at jack@moultrie.tec.ga.us. This will put you on a list and we will contact you as soon as a firm price is quoted to us and we have a production schedule. 

2)if you have an SCV camp, please pass this along at the next meeting and in any newsletters you may have. 

3) if you have a web site, again please pass the word. 

4) if you have an address book of persons interested in the WBTS, please forward this information on. I would appreciate it if you would pass the word in anyway you can because all proceeds directly go to support Southern Heritage. 

Thank you very kindly, 

John Griffin, Zillah, WA jagriffin@nwinfo.net http://members.xoom.com/jagriffin/JAG.htm JK McNeill SCV Camp #674, 

Moultrie, GA http://members.xoom.com/JKMcNeillSCVcamp/SCVhomepage.htm

{{{{{Mosie}}}}} Thankee Sis!!!!


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I need some help on an execution of a soldier that i can find no information on . The execution was a soldier in the 7th Kentucky Infantry and it was over the killing of another soldier, but there is no account of it in the records. Also the execution was conducted without the signature of the president. Who would have kept the records of this trial 


{{Phyllis}} thanks for your request.... Do any of you 7th Kentucky Inf. historians have any knowledge of this one...? Or..... where Phyllis could go research ??

A Bit of Community..

Check out the member inputs for comments and requests for information, Feedback, Items of Interest and Pleas for HELP !!!

Editor's Note: for those of you who are AOL members, I want to encourage you to feel entirely free to post any Civil War Letters, Stories or articles that you have in our Civil War History Files. There is also an area for you to upload photos, if you would desire to share those with the Civil War History community. Use "keyword=roots" to get to the Genealogy Main Screen. Then select Files, followed by selecting History and Culture and there you will find the two upload areas I mentioned: Civil War Files, and Civil War Photos. I would also note that the New Genealogy Forum Web Site is being constructed. On that Web Site, the Civil War History SIG will have an area to link to our Civil War Library (Lectures, Letters, Songs, Poems, Files, Firesides, and Photos). When this is complete then anyone (not just AOL Members) will have access to all our material. We'll be sure to let you know when you can access it.

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Jim, I would like your permission to "swipe" the verses to this poem<< "Notes on a Family Album" by Mary F. Heisey >> to post to the LADD-L@rootsweb.com list. I know that many of my fellow LADD researchers would appreciate it!

ps: I still have not made the Thursday night chats as my better half seems to find other things for me to do that gets me sidetracked from my intent. I do so enjoy your reports on those chats and are the next best thing to being there in person!
I am wanting to find somebody in the Merietta, GA area that would be familiar with the burial procedure of the US military for those who died from a disease during the campaign in that area. No record has been found for a Joel LADD that died in the Military Hospital in or around Merietta. I had the date of death for him but sadly to say on the 28 of May our computer also died and took so much information with it. I am not sure if I can recover any of our "stuff" that was entered between May 99 and May Y2k.
I put out feelers to my group, that if anyone knows a way to "recover" lost data to let me know. The computer now doesn't even recognize the "C" drive at this point. 
Nuff about my troubles, you and the gang keep up the good work and hope to 
make it to a chat sometime soon.

Donald L. LADD
LDG Directory Manager
To view the Directory direct:
Visit the LADD DIGGING GROUND often, at:

{{{{Don}}}} You already have my note to use the poem. :-) I also thot I'd put your plea for "recovery help" in the newsletter 'cause there may be someone out there "DOS/Windows" literate who can help you out.... Good Luck!!

response from MBrown2205
Ladd of Ohio:
There are some reports of the surgeons (I believe, or maybe it's just physicians' reports) that have been published in books, but I can't remember the exact title. Our library (Nancy Guinn) in Conyers, GA has copies of these books.


8. Joel Ladd b. 1845 in Jackson Twp., Putnam Co., OH, d. Aug 10, 1876 

Sharon, I think you should re-research the above entry!
The Joel LADD that died 10 Aug 1876 was in reality, Joel Jackson LADD, s/o Ellison LADD & Milley/Millie/Milly/Amelia RYLY/RYLEY/RILLEY/REILLY, etc. 

Born 09 Nov 1812, Champaign [?] Co., OH. 

d. 10 Nov 1876, Putnam Co. [PC dth ndx: Bk 1, page 29] 

Here is what you should have for Joel LADD, 

s/o Edward LADD, Sr., & Susannah TILLBERRY 

b. ca 1842*, [probably Jackson Twp] Putnam Co., OH 

d. 15 Nov 1864, Marietta, GA. [see source below] 
Source: Anne COLUCCI aka the "civil war lady"

In a message from Anne, she writes:

Dear Donald, 

I am pleased to tell you that Joel Ladd was a member of one of the most courageous regiments that the State of Ohio offered up to service. Joel was 19 years old when he enlisted in the 57th Ohio Volunteer Infantry, Company "A" on September 2, 1861. The Company mustered in at Camp Vance in Findlay. The 57th was assigned to the District and Army of West Tennessee. 


It saw heavy fighting almost from the start and it never let up. At the Battle of Shiloh, the regiment so stricken with disease that only 450 men were fit for duty out of almost 1,000. And at Shiloh, the regiment found it self positioned at the Shiloh Church - for which the battle was named. The 57th held off three Confederate regiments for four against all odds and with extreme casualties. 


After Shiloh, 150 men were assigned to accompany a supply train as guards and were attacked by 600 rebels who charged them three times before being driven off! 

The 57th fought for five straight days at Chicksaw Bayou and led the charge at Arkansas Post, participating in the initial general assault against Vicksburg, and was under fire during the entire siege of Vicksburg. 

After Vicksburg fell, the 57th transferred to Eastern Tennessee and sustained heavy losses at Missionary Ridge. In January of 1864, the regiment reenlisted. 

During the Atlanta Campaign, the 57th received three charges by overwhelming forces at Resaca but held. 

It fought at Dallas for three days and at Kennesaw Mountain. 


It was in the heat of battle for the City of Atlanta and continued with Sherman on the March to the Sea and beyond. 


By the time the regiment mustered out, of the 1594 men who had at one time been on the roster, only 481 survived. 


Joel Ladd died on November 15, 1864, at Marietta, GA, of disease. He is buried in Marietta, GA. Amazing that for all of the action that this unit saw, this poor boy survived the fight only to die of disease... and we know of course now, probably something as simple as scurvy or diarrhea. 


What a hero! It pleases me tremendously to know that you will honor him with an inscribed brick. [*] 


You can obtain Joel's record from the National Archives for $10.00. If you're interested, please ask and I'll explain the process for you. It is easy to do....just a long wait for results. I'd be proud to hang a copy of this soldier's enlistment papers on the wall! 

There were 31 Ladds on the rolls of Ohio Regiments. I didn't see any others in the 57th Regiment. The index doesn't list the regiment.....you have to look up each individual name to see what regiment they were in....so he might have had cousins who fought. I also checked Tillberry....but there were none on the rosters in Ohio. So glad I could find this one!! Take care and thanks for remembering this soldier! 

In another message, Anne wrote:
<< There is the Atlanta and Marietta National Cemetery in Marietta, GA; however....there is no record of Joel's burial there in the Roll of Honor. There is a J. W. Ladd of the 60th IL buried there. My guess would be that he died in a camp hospital and was buried locally - as the roster of the 57th states that he died and is buried in Marietta but doesn't mention the cemetery. 

By November of '64, Sherman was on the "March to the Sea." He may well have been one of the unmarked graves. I'm not sure when the Marietta National Cemetery was created .... many of them were after the war .... the dead were removed from their original graves to the National Cemeteries...which is why there is so many "unknowns" .... there were no markers on the original graves and the bodies were decomposed and unidentifiable by the time they were moved. You may want to try the National Archives for his medical records. I can tell you how to request them is you need the info. >> 

* If Joel was indeed 19 when he enlisted then his birth year should be sometime in 1842 .... not 1845. However this birthyear conflicts with your listing for Jacob. Then again Jacob could be younger than Joel and that would account or him not being in the service or he could have died early in life! 

I have the birth of Ellison LADD ( II ) as 31 Jul 1836, not 1838. 

I have a birth of Vincent [B] LADD as 20 Dec 1848, Jackson Twp. 

She further stated that she had found a Captain T. S. Ladd of the 9th Michigan Cavalry buried in Beaufort, SC. Then she touched on the Asa V. Ladd execution on 29 Oct 1864. 

Donald L. LADD
LDG Directory Manager
To view the Directory direct:
Visit the LADD DIGGING GROUND often, at:

{{Don}} Thanks for sharing this info. "The Civil War Lady" sure sounds like an excellent source for assistance :-)

I enjoyed this letter very much. You guys keep up the good work.

{{{Diane}}} Thanks for the feedback.... And "We Will"! LOL 


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Dittos on your remarks about The Civil War. We saw it Sunday night. The talent was incredible. At one point the story you have related a couple of times about Christmas time with the North and South each on opposite side of a river with all ending up in song came to me. It is a poignant story. Plus, I had bought a book for my daughter about Brothers Against Brothers and she said the song Brother My Brother really brought that up to her. You never know what will touch you in life! I find it hard to get on the net on Thursday night but still enjoy the newsletter. To all of you, keep up the good work. 


{{{Sandra}}}} Thanks for your note. Glad you could see the musical. The book you reference is one I've used for "first hand accounts" about Gettysburg. It's spellbinding... As you mentioned the song from the musical, I thought I'd share the words up above because it was "heart wrenching." It's notes like yours that let us know the newsletter is meeting a need for you folk.


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Thank you so much for the newsletter. I especially liked the story on Lincoln. I never knew the facts. I thought so much of it that I cut and pasted it and sent it to my family. Again a good job, good reading and thoroughly enjoyed by all who read it. 

Sincerely, pinkpj622@aol.com 

{{{Eleanor}}}} Thanks for the nice words.......






Please subscribe me under my new name. I miss the chats on Thursday evenings. I must be getting old. Just can't stay up late anymore. Maybe one of these days I'll be back among the 'night owls'. I certainly enjoy reading the Fireside newsletter. Thanks for all you do to keep this wonderful chat room going. All of you deserve a huge [[[[APPLAUSE']]]]. 


{{{{{{{{Peggy}}}}}}} - I don't normally include the unsubscribes in the newsletter, but Peggy has been a long time friend of this group and a faithful supporter. "We'll miss ya Peggy!" Y'all hurry back now h'yar, 'cuz the Night Owls aren't the same without ya!" 




Thank you for continuing to send me the Fireside. I have been traveling back and forth from Maine to Texas because my father is in ICU and I never seem to get the time to come to the chat room or I am just too tired to stay up that late. I hope to be able to get back with the gang soon. 


Thanks again for keeping me updated. 


{{{{Gloria}}}}} Thanks for keeping us up to your whereabouts! We'll be watching for ya..



Every first-timer to the American Civil War History SIG gets put on the newsletter distribution automatically, because we like to send you a "Thank You Card" for coming to visit and this is our way of doing so. We hope to give you an opportunity to jump right in with us. If you desire NOT to receive the newsletter, then just drop us an email saying UNSUBSCRIBE and we will quickly remove your screen name from distribution. We certainly don't want to clog your mailbox with unwanted material. Also many of you pass on the newsletter to others that don't subscribe to AOL. We really want to thank you for spreading the word. I would also like to let you know that we would be happy to add them to our list if they have email of any sort.  We distribute everywhere to those that have requested it. AOL membership is not a requirement although we'd love to see you in the Chat Room :D


We heartily enjoyed your visit and participation. We really "fire up" with what members bring to the discussions, and we hope to see more of you.... Note that for any reason, should you desire to be removed from distribution of this "Weekly Missive," just drop us a line and we will comply with your wishes "post-haste".

July's Special Features and Articles

The Price of Being A Patriot

This is probably a repeat for most of you, but since the 4th of July weekend is coming up, I think it bears repeating.


Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence?

Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died.

Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned.

Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary War; another had two sons captured.

Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War.

They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor. 

What kind of men were they?

Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated. But they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured.

Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags.

Thomas McKean was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward.

Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton.

At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr, noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt.

Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months.

John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few weeks later he died from exhaustion and a broken heart.

Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates. 

Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution. These were not wild-eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken men of means and education. They had security, but they valued liberty more. Standing tall, straight, and unwavering, they pledged "For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor."

They gave you and me a free and independent America. The history books never told you a lot about what happened in the Revolutionary War. We didn't fight just the British. We were British subjects at that time and we fought our own government! 

Some of us take these liberties so much for granted, but we shouldn't.

So take a few minutes while enjoying your 4th of July holiday and silently thank these patriots. It's not much to ask for the price they paid.

Remember: freedom is never free!

It's time we get the word out that patriotism is NOT a sin, and the Fourth of July has more to it than beer, picnics, and baseball games.  

The Price of Being A Patriot

Another View

From HOST GFS Jayne on the "Signers of the Declaration of Independence" from last week's newsletter as provided by Wmdperkins. 

"Kenny, This piece of propaganda has been floating around the internet for some time ...and, unfortunately, has made it to some important websites. I am sorry to say, the historical research is flawed. Here is a response that I sent to the Northeast Roots group when someone else sent it to the northeast roots group some time ago. I am posting publically so others may read, comment on, and correct any errors I might have made in my own research. 


"On at least one website, Gary Hildreth, of Erie PA, is listed as the author of "The Price they Paid". Here is what I have been able to find based on a few hours in my Uuniversity's limited library and the book, "The Signers of the Declaration of Independence", by Robert G. Ferris and Richard E. Morris of the U.S. National Park Service (Arlington, VA: Interpretive Publications, Inc., 1982). 




Let's examine some of the statements more closely. 


Five signers were captured by the British as traitors and tortured before they died. This passage, to me at least, implies that the signer were captured under charges of treason and died under torture. 


Five signers were indeed captured by the British, but not necessarily as traitors. Richard Stockton (NJ) was the only one who was probably captured and imprisoned just for having signed the Declaration of Independence. Ferris and Morris also note that he was not well treated in captivity and was in ill health when released. He never completely recovered. He did not die in prison, however. George Walton (GA) commanded militia at the Battle of Savannah in December, 1778. He was wounded and captured at that time. Thus he would have been considered a prisoner of war, not a traitor. He was released within a year, which implies that his signature on the Declaration was not as important a factor in his captivity as his active military role in defending Savannah (prisoners of war were exchanged ona regular basis, a traitor would have been hanged). Walton lived to serve as Governor of Georgia and U.S. Senator, dying in 1804. Thomas Heyward, Jr., Arthur Middleton, and Edward Rutledge (SC) were all captured at the Siege of Charleston in 1780. They were held at St. Augustine (then under British control) until September 1781 with other Continentals. Two months after his release, Arthur Middleton returned to Philadelphia to resume his seat in the Continental Congress. Despite the destruction of his estate, he was able to rebuild it and live there until his death in 1787. Edward Rutledge sat in the State Legislature from 1782 to 1798. He was elected Governor of South Carolina but died before completing his term...in 1800. Ferris and Morris report that he died a very wealthy man. Thomas Heyward, Jr. served as a circuit court judge from 1782 to 1787. He served as a state legislator at the same time. Heyward lived well into the 19th  century, dying in 1809. I checked about 8 general histories of the American War for Independence and one or two specialized works on the southern campaigns. None of them even mentioned that signers had been captured at Charleston or Savannah, let alone mention that any were singled out for harsh treatment. This seems to indicate that their capture was part of the "normal" course of war, not a special effort. After the British took Charleston, Gen. Sir Henry Clinton had men of military age left in the city rounded up. Most were released soon after, including most of the militia troops. He had originally allowed the officers to keep their swords, but changed his mind when they began to shout rebel slogans. Only the Contintental troops were held for any length of time (Middlekauff, The  Glorious Revolution) I found only one reference to the treatment of prisoners from the southern campaigns, in Lynn Montross, "Rag, Tag, and Bobtail". This work states that the continental troops from the siege of Charleston were held on prison ships. Conditions were poor and about a third of the prisoners died. If one takes the word "torture" to mean pain and suffering, then I suppose these men were tortured. To my mind, however, torture implies an intentional infliction of pain, usually either to extract information or to punish. I have found no evidence of the latter. Here is an interesting passage from Larry G. Bowman, North Texas St. Univ., on Prisoners of war: "Prisoners of war did suffer during the American Revolution. No other conclusion can be reached regarding the welfare of captives on both sides. Men were beaten, deprived of food by corrupt officials, denied bedding and clothing, and harassed in other ways but, fortunately, such incidents of outright cruelty were not routine events. Actually, most of the suffering of the men came from the more subtle torment usually brought on by neglect on the part of their captors. Neither the American nor the British authorities sought to induce suffering among the men in their prisons, yet men did want for basic services. The shortcomings on both sides of the conflict in providing for the captives was evident, but the motivations behind the failures were not evil or vindictive in their origination. Neither party entered a program of deliberately tormenting prisoners." Encyclopedia of the American Revolution, v. II, p. 1334 (New York: Garland Publishing, 1993). So, when Hildreth writes, "But they signed the Declaration of Independence, knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured." The British undoubtedly put a price on the heads of rebel political officials (not just signers) and the signers no doubt feared that the British would make good on the threat. The reality is, however, that none were executed for their treason. 


Let's look at another assertion.... 


Nine of the fifty-six fought and died from wounds or the hardship of the  Revolutionary War. On my list two were wounded in action, but NONE DIED OF WOUNDS. My count shows 17--not 9--men who held commissions (or did medical duty) during the war. With the possible exception of Thomas Lynch, Jr. and Gwinnett, I would not say that any death here was attributable to the war with the British. Gwinnett's death, though, is hardly glorious: 


1. Josiah Bartlett (NH) as surgeon with Gen. John Stark's troops at Bennington. Bartlett declined national offices (citing fatigue or ill health) but remained active in state affairs and died in 1794. 


2. Button Gwinnett (GA) in a failed campaign to take St. Augustine. Killed in a duel precipitated partly by an argument over military strategy in 1777. 


2a. George Clymer served with the Pennsylvania militia. Died in 1813. 


3. Thomas Heyward, Jr. (SC). Wounded in 1779 near Port Royal Island, SC. Recovered and served in the siege of Charleston. Died 1809. 


4. Thomas Lynch, Jr. (SC) Military career cut short by illness in 1775. He then was elected to the Continental Congress. In an attempt to restore his health, he left for the West Indies, but was shipwrecked and killed in 1779. 


5. Arthur Middleton (SC) Captured at the siege of Charleston. See above. 


6. Lewis Morris (NY) Brigadier General of Westchester Co. troops during the NY invasion. After the war, he served in state government and was active in public affairs. Died 1798. 


7. Thomas Nelson, Jr. (VA) commanded the Virginia militia. Served in several campaigns in Virginia, including Yorktown. Nelson's retirement from public life was financially motivated. He died in 1789. 


8. William Paca (MD) Served in the Maryland militia. After the war, he was active in MD. affairs and served as a Federal district judge after the Constitution was ratified. Died in 1799. 


9. Caesar Rodney (DE). Brigadier General of militia. Active in campaigns against Loyalists in Delaware. Despite having advanced skin cancer, Rodney served as president of Delaware, and speaker of the state senate until his death in 1783. 


10. Benjamin Rush (PA). Appointed surgeon general of the Middle Department of the Continental Army. Resigned after 8 months in a dispute over charges he made that the medical corps was not run properly. Extremely active in public affairs, both medical and governmental, Rush died in 1813. 


11. Edward Rutledge (SC) Served at the battle of Port Royal Island (1779).  Captured at the siege of Charleston. See above. 


12. James Smith (PA) Brigadier General of militia. Practiced law until he retired at age 82 in 1801. He died in 1806. 


13. George Walton (GA) Colonel of militia. Wounded at the Battle of Savannah, 1778. Died in 1804. 


14. William Whipple (NH). Brigadier General of militia. Saw quite a bit of active service, including the Saratoga and Newport campaigns. Died, aged 55, in 1785. 


15. William Williams (CT). Colonel of militia to 1776. Mostly active in state affairs, he died in 1811. 


16. Oliver Wolcott (CT). Rose to Major General of militia. Wolcott served in the Saratoga campaign and the defense of Ct. against loyalist raids from NY. Lived to attend the Constitutional Convention and to serve as Governor of Ct. Died 1797. Some, like John Hart or Thomas Nelson, died of fatigue or exhaustion brought on by travel and active service. In that sense, the war may indeed have shortened their lives. Then again, how can we know in an age where illness was so commonplace. By the way, would we accept "fatigue" as a cause of death today? Or would we find some more precise explanation. In any case, I don't know if I would list this cause of death in the same sentence as a reference to battle service. 


Now....Let's look at some of the personal stories told.... 


Carter Braxton of Virginia, wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the sea by the British navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags. 


Ferris and Morris tell a similar story, but watch the twist: "The War for Independence brought financial hardships to Braxton. At its beginning, he had invested heavily in shipping, but the British captured most of his vessels and ravaged some of his plantations and extensive landholdings. COMMERCIAL SETBACKS IN LATER YEARS RUINED HIM." (p. 42). If Braxton sold his home, he did not sell all of them. This entry also notes that Braxton was able to retain his family seat at Chericoke, and died in his Richmond townhouse. No doubt Braxton's fortunes were changed by the war, but can we say, truthfully, that his death in poverty was entirely due to the sacrifices of war??? 


Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward. So far, this is correct. But Ferris and Morris state that McKean was able to rebuild his fortune" "McKean lived out his live quietly in Philadelphia. He died in 1817 at the age of 83, survived by his second wife and four of the 11 children from his marriages. He was buried in Laurel Hill Cemetery. HIS SUBSTANTIAL ESTATE CONSISTED OF STOCKS, BONDS, AND HUGE LAND TRACTS IN PENNSYLVANIA (p. 102). 


British soldiers looted the properties of Ellery, Clymer, Hall, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge and Middleton. Also William Floyd (NY), John Hart (NC), William Hooper (NC), Philip Livingston (NY), Lewis Morris (NY). Oddly, enough, however, the British had the opportunity to loot the homes of several very prominent signers and did not do so. Although the British evacuated Boston before the signing, why didn't the British vandalize the homes of well-known rebels such as Sam Adams and John Hancock during their occupation of Boston? The British occupied Philadelphia through the winter of 1777, yet the homes of Benjamin Franklin (who surely must have been public enemy #1), James Wilson, Benjamin Rush, Robert Morris were not damaged. James Wilson's home was attacked by Americans, including militiamen, during food shortages in 1779 (does it count if the suffering was caused by your own side?). Thomas Jefferson was almost captured at Monticello. Why didn't the British burn the estate? 


At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr. noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. The owner quietly urged General George Washington to open fire, which was done. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt. Ferris and Morris also repeat this story, although they qualify it as "family legend". Nelson was unable to rebuild his fortunes after the war and did indeed die in poverty. 


Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The British jailed his wife, and soon after she died.  This is true. Although Lewis lived until 1802 (and was 89 when he died), he essentially retired from public life after his wife's death. 


>John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his grist mill were laid waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home after the war to find his wife dead, his children vanished. A few weeks later he died from exhaustion and a broken heart. < The story is essentially true, but Hart survived two years after his return from exhile, not a few weeks. 


Morris and Livingston suffered similar fates Philip Livingston, a member of the extremely influential NY Livingston family, had several properties in New York and Brooklyn that were occupied by the British. He sold other properties to support the war effort before fleeing the British occupation of NY. He died, at the age of 62, in 1778. 


There were two signers of the Declaration surnamed Morris. LEWIS Morris of New York, had to flee his home, Morrisania, which was damaged in the British occupation. Ferris and Morris note that he was able to rebuild Morrisania. ROBERT Morris, of Pennsylvania may be even more intriguing. Generally recognized for his fundraising efforts during the war, he was later accused (though vindicated) by Thomas Paine of profiteering. As Superintendent of Finance (1781-1784) he was responsible for keeping the young country afloat financially. In 1789, he declined to serve as Secretary of the Treasury (Alexander Hamilton got the job), but served instead as a Senator from PA. Morris' own financial dealings were not as successful. He speculated on western lands on credit, lived extremely well, and embarked on an ambitious home building project. All of this led to personal bankruptcy and time in debtor's prison in 1798. His wife was granted a pension that sustained the family. Robert Morris died in 1806.  So there you have it. A grain of truth in everything, but some broad wording that makes for a good story but an inaccurate portrayal of our founders. 


Brooke An update from Wmdperkins: 

I would like to make you aware that there were probably as many colonials who were forced to make the same sacrifices because they could not support the Patriots views or cause. My ancestor was the highest ranking American born Colonial officer (F & I War), president of the Stamp Act Congress, and more. For personal moral reasons, which included his complete horror at the thought of fighting against those friends and family who might be on the other side, and the acts committed by the radical faction of the revolutionaries which included rape, assault, arson, pillaging, and animal mutilation (also commited by the English side) he sided with the Brits and was a Loyalist he had written assination orders against his person he fled to Nova Scotia a pauper. So for all those who fought on both sides of this conflict I would like us all to remember their sacrifices. And it did not end there, later there was another conflict in 1861 that also pitted American against American. For this reason you might have seen me write that i consider the Conflict of 1776 to be the First American Civil War (newspaper accounts from that day do write of that war as The Civil War) there were probably about as many Loyalists fighting as there were Continentals. A civil war is one in which the peoples of a country fight each other. 

"Jayne and Bill" Updates are muchly appreciated to last week's "Special" on the Declaration Signers.... "Bill" - a special thanks for keeping us up on the "Real History" :-) It "ain't" always what we read!

* * * * *


I found the treatise on the Signers of the Declaration of Independence highly credible, well-researched, revealing and well-done over-all. The little knowledge I have does agree heartily with these observations. The constant sending on the net of the spurious and ignorant conclusions has tired a good many of us. It is refreshing and enlightening to finally find someone with the [fortitude] to utilize scholarship and historical responsibility; to be an iconoclast, albeit not politically correct. There seems the be an increasing amount of ignorance with the politically correct folk. New York deserves Hillary. 



Erik P. Conard--Denver 

"Erick" Heh Heh - Your erudite manner in your response is refreshing..... THANKS William and Jayne for the "fortitude". :-) 



Forrest (Gen Nathan Bedford of course),

In pursuit of Colonel Abel D. Streight

Once upon a time (well actually it was the spring of 1863) when Forrest (Gen Nathan Bedford of course), with about twelve hundred men, set out in pursuit of Colonel Abel D. Streight, he was more than a day behind him. Streight had several hundred more men in the saddle than Forrest, and being far in advance could replace a broken-down horse by a fresh one from the farms through which his route lay, while Forrest, when he lost a horse, lost a soldier, too; for no good horses were left for him. After a hot pursuit of five days and nights, during which he had lost two-thirds of his forces from broken-down horses, he overhauled his enemy and brought him to a parley. 

This conference took place in sight of a cut-off in the mountain road, Captain Morton and his horse artillery, which had been so long with Forrest, passing in sight along the road till they came to the cut-off, into which they would turn, re-entering the road out of view, so that it seemed that a continuous stream of artillery was passing by. Forrest had so arranged that he stood with his back to the guns while Streight was facing them. Forrest, in his characteristic way, described the scene to me. He said, "I seen him all the time he was talking, looking over my shoulder and counting the guns. Presently he said: 'Name of God! How many guns have you got? There's fifteen I've counted already!' Turning my head that way, I said, 'I reckon that's all that has kept up.' Then he said, 'I won't surrender till you tell me how many men you've got.' I said, 'I've got enough to whip you out of your boots.' To which he said, 'I won't surrender.' I turned to my bugler and said, 'Sound to mount!' Then he cried out, 'I'll surrender!' I told him, 'Stack your arms right along there, Colonel, and march your men down that hollow.' "When this was done," continued Forrest, "I ordered my men to come forward and take possession of the arms. When Streight saw they were barely four hundred, he did rear! demanded to have his arms back and that we should fight it out. I just laughed at him and patted him on the shoulder, and said, 'Ah, Colonel, all is fair in love and war, you know.'" as faithfully documented by General Dabney Herndon Maury, and so is "God's Truth"..... 

And there you have it.................

To Be A Volunteer or a ....

James Franklin Pitts 

Shortly after the call for three hundred thousand volunteers in the summer of 1862, a whole division of troops, principally New Yorkers, were encamped about Baltimore. They were all fresh, as yet, soldiers in embryo, training for the work; and having seen only the sunny side of soldiering, were prepossessed toward life. Just at this time a very injudicious order was put forth by the War Department, looking to the recruitment of the regular army to the full standard. It permitted the volunteers, to the number of ten in a single company, to enlist in the regulars, and held out new inducements in the way of bounty for them to do so. Of course such an order could not fail to excite strong feelings among both officers and men, many of the latter  feeling inclined to take the benefit of the order, and the former being naturally indignant and anxious lest their commands should be depleted and general dissatisfaction created. The excitement raged high for a week and then subsided, without serious consequences. Very few of the men enlisted, and the department finally withdrew the offensive order. In my own regiment the opinions of the rank and file were settled against it after the first few days following its promulgation; and I really believe that the argument which influenced them more than all others was the quaint remark of one of the men, who upon being asked if he intended to enlist in the regulars, replied with emphasis: 

"No, sir! I've been a volunteer d......d fool once, and you can't make a regular d.....d fool of me now." The odd joke went through the camp like wildfire, and little more was heard of a desire to leave the regiment for the regulars. 

........James Franklin Pitts 

And there you have it ....

Final Inspection

The soldier stood and faced God 
Which must always come to pass 
He hoped his shoes were shining 
Just as brightly as his brass.
"Step forward now, you soldier,
How shall I deal with you?
Have you always turned the other cheek?
To My Church have you been true?" 
The soldier squared his shoulders and said, 
"No, Lord, I guess I ain't 
Because those of us who carry guns
Can't always be a saint.
I've had to work most Sundays
And at times my talk was tough,
And sometimes I've been violent, 
Because the world is awfully rough.

But, I never took a penny
That wasn't mine to keep...
Though I worked a lot of overtime 
When the bills got just too steep,
And I never passed a cry for help, 
Though at times I shook with fear, 
And sometimes, God forgive me, 
I've wept unmanly tears.
I know I don't deserve a place
Among the people here,
They never wanted me around
Except to calm their fears.
If you've a place for me here, Lord, 
It needn't be so grand, 

I never expected or had too much, 
But if you don't, I'll understand."
There was a silence all around the throne
Where the saints had often trod
As the soldier waited quietly,
For the judgment of his God,
"Step forward now, you soldier,
You've borne your burdens well, 
Walk peacefully on Heaven's streets,

You've done your time in Hell."

Good Old Days


Good old days
Close your eyes...
And go back...
Before the Internet or the MAC...
Before semiautomatics and crack. 
Before chronic and indo.

Before SEGA or Super Nintendo 
*** Way back........

I'm talkin' bout hide and go seek at dusk
Sittin' on the porch
Hot bread and butter
The ice cream man
Eatin' a 'super duper sandwich'
Red light, Green light
Chocolate milk
Lunch tickets
Penny candy in a brown paper bag
Hopscotch, butterscotch, doubledutch Jacks, kickball, dodgeball, y'all!
Mother May I?
Hula Hoops and Sunflower Seeds
Running through the sprinkler I can't get wet!
All right, but don't get my hair wet!
The smell of the sun and lickin' salty lips....

Watchin' Saturday Morning cartoons, Road Runner, The Three Stooges, and Bugs...
Catchin' lightening bugs in a jar
Playin sling shot
When around the corner seemed far away, 
and going downtown seemed like going somewhere.
Climbing trees
A million mosquito bites and sticky fingers
Cops and Robbers
Cowboys and Indians
Sittin on the curb
Jumpin down the steps
Jumpin on the bed
Pillow fights
Being tickled to death
Runnin till you were out of breath
Laughing so hard that your stomach hurt
Being tired from playin'.... Remember that?

I ain't finished just yet...
Crowding around in a circle around the 'after school fight', then
running when the teacher came
What about the girl that had the big bubbly hand writing??
Eating Kool aid powder with sugar

Remember when...
When there were two types of sneakers for girls and boys (Keds & PF Flyers),
and the only time you wore them at school, was for "gym"
When it took five minutes for the TV to warm up
When nearly everyone's mom was at home when the kids got there
When nobody owned a purebred dog
When a quarter was a decent allowance, and another quarter a huge bonus
When you'd reach into a muddy gutter for a penny
When girls neither dated nor kissed until late high school, if then
When your mom wore nylons that came in two pieces
When all of your male teachers wore neckties and female teachers had
their hair done, everyday
When you got your windshield cleaned, oil checked, and gas pumped,
without asking, for free, every time
And, you didn't pay for air
And, you got trading stamps to boot!

When laundry detergent had free glasses, dishes or towels hidden inside the box
When any parent could discipline any kid, or feed him or use him to
carry groceries, and nobody, not even the kid, thought a thing of it
When it was considered a great privilege to be taken out to dinner at a
real restaurant with your parents
When they threatened to keep kids back a grade if they failed ...and did!
When being sent to the principal's office was nothing compared to the
fate that awaited a misbehaving student at home
Basically, we were in fear for our lives but it wasn't because of drive
by shootings, drugs, gangs, etc.
Our parents and grandparents were a much bigger threat!

Didn't that feel good? Just to go back and say, Yeah, I remember that!
There's nothing like the good old days!

{{Ted}} I did that and you know what? The memories came with smells of newly mown grass, and fresh dirt and watermelon on the porch, and a vision of the Texaco Gas Station (they were green then- remember) on the corner of 8th and Main streets. Heh Heh Took my son-in-law and family back to Missouri in the spring time out to the old farm and he went absolutely crazy chasing lightnin bugs. He'd never seen them before in his life. These are great!

Texas & The Civil War

Glorieta Battlefield Preservation

By Lynna Kay Shuffield

Forwarded  by TCozz7795 

Take a look at this and if you think it is worth you time and effort, please write and help preserve this Civil War Battlefield. 

Pat Nagle, authoress of "GLORIETA PASS" & "THE GUNS OF VALVERDE" recently announced the organization of a new coalition (not yet named, it's so new!) to promote the preservation of the Civil War site known as the Glorieta Battlefield, which is located near Santa Fe, NM. The Glorieta Battlefield, often referred to as "the Gettysburg of the West," is one of the most threatened Civil War battlefields in the nation. 

Companies D and E, 4th Texas Cavalry were from Milam County, Texas and participated in this battle. Capt. Charles Buckholts, (the town of Buckholts, Milam County, Texas was named for his brother, John), died during the Battle of Glorieta Pass. 

 A website for this preservation effort is located at: 


The Battle of Glorieta Pass took place from March 16th through 28, 1862 and Union units, commanded by Colonel John P. Slough and Major John M. Chivington defeat General Sibley's forces and necessitated his retreat back to Texas. To read a short history of Sibley's Brigade, 


visit the Texas Handbook On-Line at: 


The Glorieta Battlefield is in danger and the coalition is asking for letters to be written to Gov. Gary Johnson of New Mexico, asking him:


(1) to direct the State Highways and Transportation Dept. to resume the Environmental Impact Statement for the relocation of NM 50 highway away from the battlefield; and, 


(2) to support funding to acquire the remaining private property in the battlefield park area. Letters from descendents of New Mexico Campaign veterans, historians, Civil War buffs, and/or genealogists will without doubt impress the Governor with the importance of the preservation of the Glorieta Battlefield. It is important to remember that almost one-third of Sibley's more than 2,500 men were lost during the New Mexico Campaign including the Battle of Glorieta Pass. Hearing from individuals residing outside of New Mexico, who value the  preservation of the Glorieta Battlefield, will make an enormous impression. Please take a few minutes to help by writing:


The Honorable Gary E. Johnson

Governor of New Mexico

State Capitol, Suite 400

Santa Fe, NM 87503 



A sample letter is online at: http://www.pgnagle.com/gletter.html 

You can also send Gov. Johnston an e-mail at: gov@gov.state.nm.us 

or visit the governor's website at: http://www.governor.state.nm.us/ 

You can contact Pat Nagle at e-mail: nagle@mandala.net or visit her 

webpage at: http://pgnagle.com



Lynna Kay Shuffield writes the "Our Loose Ends" genealogy column, which is published in the Taylor Daily Press newspaper in Taylor, Williamson County, Texas and the Cameron Herald newspaper in Cameron, Milam County, Texas is at: http://geocities.com/Athens/Academy/2670/COLUMN-001.htm . She has written several books and is working on five more. She is a member of many local and state genealogical societies, the International Society of Family History Writers and Editors, Inc. (ISFHWE), the Daughters of the American Revolution and the United Daughters of the Confederacy. Lynna is a former major in the State Military Forces of Texas and a graduate of the United States Marine Corps (USMC) Command and General Staff Course (1998). She is also the county coordinator for the San Jacinto County TXGenWeb Project.


Lynna Kay Shuffield 

P. O. Box 16604 

Houston, Texas 77222 

Telephone: 713/692-4511 

e-mail: friday@argohouston.com 
For your information....... 

Harry E. Wing "War Correspondent"

Few reporters could ever claim such a helpful source, a friend in court, than that Harry E. Wing developed inside the Lincoln administration. 

Wing, a law school graduate, had served as a color corporal with the 27th Connecticut form September 1862 until the end of that year, when a wound suffered at Fredericksburg drummed him out of the Union Army. He had previously reported for the New Haven Palladium, and now, taking up residence in Washington, he began reporting capital affairs, first for the Norwich Bulletin (also in Connecticut) and then the New York Tribune. 

He wanted action, however and he persuaded the Tribune to assign him as a courier for the paper's reporters accompanying the Federal Army of the Potomac. That job led quickly to new status as a real reporter, but he still was the "new boy" of the crowd at the time of the great Battle of the Wilderness in the spring of 1864. As low man on the seniority list, he carried the polled dispatches back to the nearest telegraph station, and that journey took him through the war-torn territory of northern Virginia, which was subject to the unpredictable meanderings of John S. Mosby's guerrilla band. Indeed, Wing was chased by Rebs of some kind, then held up by Confederate cavalrymen before finally reaching a Union camp boasting a telegraph unit. It was restricted for military use, but Wing managed to inform Secretary of War Edwin Stanton that he had the first news from the first day of battle at the Wilderness. Stanton of course wanted to see the story, but Wing kept insisting that it should go out to his newspaper as well. Never one to sit on his temper, Stanton ordered Wing arrested. It was at this stage that the tempest reached Abraham Lincoln in the White House. 

Far more agreeable, he not only overruled Stanton, but he sent a train for reporter Wing. The two met at 2:00 a.m. in the White House, with Wing providing a full verbal report lf all that he had seen and heard during the crucial day of battle. Lincoln was moved to kiss the journalist when he also conveyed a personal message from U.S. Grant (just beginning his ultimately successful "sidling" campaign of 1864 against Robert E. Lee) that there was no reason to turn back despite the heavy Union casualties. 

Lincoln now told Wing to allow the Associated Press to share in the story, the only account of the battle to reach official Washington so far. Still Wing's friend in court, Abe Lincoln also furnished the reporter with an escort allowing him to retrieve a horse he had hidden in a thicket while escaping Confederate raiders. Wing remained a war correspondent until Appomattox, then became co-publisher of the Litchfield (Connecticut) Enquirer and, later in life a minister. 

And there you have it.................


Things Only A Mother Can Teach

Submitted by Bulldogtjr

My Mother taught me about ANTICIPATION... 

"Just wait until your father gets home!"  

My Mother taught me about RECEIVING...  

"You are going to get it when we get home!"  

My Mother taught me to MEET A CHALLENGE...  

"What were you thinking? Answer me when I talk to you. Don't talk back to me!" 

My Mother taught me LOGIC... 

"If you fall off that swing and break your neck, you can't go to the store with me." 

My Mother taught me MEDICINE... 

"If you don't stop crossing your eyes, you're going to freeze that way." 

My Mother taught me to THINK AHEAD... 

"If you don't pass your spelling test, you'll never get a good job."

My Mother taught me about ESP... 

"Put your sweater on; don't you think I know when you are cold."  

My Mother taught me HUMOR... 

"When the lawn mower cuts off your toes, don't come running to me." 

My Mother taught me how to BECOME AN ADULT... 

"If you don't eat your vegetables, you'll never grow up." 

My Mother taught me about GENETICS... 

"You're just like your father!" 

My Mother taught me about my ROOTS... 

"Do you think you were born in a barn?" 

My Mother taught me about the WISDOM OF AGE... 

"When you get to be my age, you will understand." 

And my all time favorite... JUSTICE... 

"One day you'll have kids, and I hope they turn out just like you.

Then you'll see what it's like." 

{{Ted}} Your storehouse runneth over! Heh Heh Why is it that I have heard every one of those quotes from my mother???? 

The Editors Corner

Weekly Fireside Staff


The Editor's Corner:

 Well, we'd certainly love to thank all of you for your loyal support of our American Civil War History SIG over the years. We have forged many great on-line friendships and "faithful followers" in our common interest and we cherish you for it. We seemed to have developed a great comraderie and have shared ups and downs and the goods and bads... In the middle of all this we still get great new visitors who are excited about their research in the area and some nights we (Jayne, Tom, Amy and myself) are hard-pressed to keep up with your questions and comments. We try extra hard to make sure that we greet each and every one that enters our domain, but sometimes we just miss seeing you or we're distracted following up on someone else's question. If you have experienced that, then "Oh My" we heartily appoligize and sincerely hope you don't think we don'tT care, 'cause we surely do. We just ask that you "bear with us" during the chaos and give us a chance to catch up or just "Ring our Bell" a few more times and get our attention. Another small courtesy we ask of you is that if you enter the Chat Room before the "On-Stage SIG" is still going on and some of us are in the "room" getting ready for shift change, please "talk" to us by using Instant Messaging (|Ms) so that we don't disrupt the conversations and information going on in the "On-Stage SIG". HOST GFS Jayne, TEG, myself and Host GFS Amy do this as well out of courtesy to the HOSTs still working. You folks are just great and this note isn't from any "incident" but we're working across the Genealogy Forum to improve "Shift Change" everywhere and these are some "Golden Rules" that have instituted on ourselves and thought is smart to pass this on to you folk, just in case you thought we were Acting Strange! Heh Heh - of course we NEVER act strange..... We're the most normal people we know..... "that gave me a giggle!"
Thanks for hanging in there with us... Jayne, Tom, Amy and Jim 

Music To Research By


Jim, ole wiz of music, i'm desperately trying to remember the words to a song I heard my mother sing years ago. I used to sing it out on the front porch in the swing at night and made my daddy cry. The only part I remember is..." I'm writing this down in a trench, Mom. Don't scold if isn't too neat. You know as you did, when I was a kid, and came home with mud on my feet. ....... Then the old woman's hands began to tremble, as she fought against tears in her eyes. But she wept unashamed, for there was no name. and she knew that her darlin had died" Maybe not the exact words but I still remember the tune. i wish I knew it's origin, Any clue? Thanks Carolyn 

{{{{{Carolyn}}}}}} Heh heh The ole wiz of music struck out on this one. It really strikes me as World War I, maybe World War II time frame. OK Gang! Help me out here.



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